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Wile E. TF

Stupid Flanders!

Posted on 2008.10.03 at 13:27
Current Music: Sebadoh - Renaissance Man
I finally figured out who Sarah Palin reminds me of... Ned Flanders! Last night I was expecting her to just break into full-on Flanders jibberish: “Hidely-ho there debaterinos! I’m just pleased as tickled-pink punch to be here, yer darn rootin-tootin'! You betcha!"

Comments:


Susan
suzermagoozer at 2008-10-03 17:31 (UTC) (Link)
yes!

but she provides the extra WINKING.
Jonathan
theservant at 2008-10-03 17:32 (UTC) (Link)
That is a kick-ass icon
ajjones at 2008-10-03 17:37 (UTC) (Link)
HA! Perfect.
candent at 2008-10-03 17:53 (UTC) (Link)
I think you're being too generous.
The Universal Dilettante
roadriverrail at 2008-10-03 18:02 (UTC) (Link)
Yes. Spot on.

She also reminds me of that condescending Sunday school teacher who boggled at me when, at 9, I asked her how heaven could be so great if we couldn't consider sin once we were there.
Chevalier St. Odhran, Abbot Saint of Waterford
weishaupt at 2008-10-03 21:36 (UTC) (Link)
Hahaha.
metalclarinet
metalclarinet at 2008-10-05 21:47 (UTC) (Link)

I disagree

Flanders may be a characature, but he has a Christian sensibility about judging others.

Yesterday Palin made a damning attack on Obama for associating with some guy who was a radical in the 1960s. Today the guy is a pillar a respected college professor who is a pillar in the community. Obama's connection is that they worked to promote the same charity. This type of attack makes me question whether she has any Christian values.
jonnymoon at 2008-10-10 22:13 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

Funny, last I heard Ayers pretty much said that he regretted not bombing more places back then, and that he was totally unrepenant about it. And as for being 60 years ago, that's nice, but Obama and him were chummy in his living room much more recently. Oh, and let's not forget Farrakhan and Wright.

Man, people just can't stand it when their canidate gets taken to the cleaners...like Ol' Biden did the other night.

But hey, enjoy.

For all you coders out there, here's a little code for you:

IF McCain == Bush THEN
Obama == Ayers + Farrakhan + Wright
McCain > Obama
Vote McCain
Else
Ecomomy stifled by new taxes on industry

Means that if we are to be identified by our past, then Obama has more skeletons in his closet than McCain, and that makes McCain greater than Obama. Therefore you should vote for McCain, or else all those new taxes Obama wants to put on industry are going to trickle down to you and I.

You think that industry is going to just absorb those taxes? Not a chance. Obama will tax us all by proxy...because industry will pass it on to you and I, by increasing their prices and firing people.

You think Joe CEO is gonna take a paycut? Not a chance.

metalclarinet
metalclarinet at 2008-10-11 03:18 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

and if Bush = Iraq, the McCain = bomb, bomb, bomb; bomb bomb Iran.

Nobody cares what right wingers like you or left wingers like me thing about the debates. We pretty much hear what we want to hear. The consensus seems to be that moderates had a pretty good impression of Palin, which then eroded as people saw the Tina Fey bits and said to themselves, 'yeah, that rings true.'

Apparently in the last debate, a lot of middle-of-the-roaders decided that Obama looked pretty presidential and McCain, who was bouncing all around the stage, looked unsteady.

And if none of this has anything to do with issues, then welcome to the last several presidential elections.

I want out of the war ASAP. I think the surge has been a 90% failure. There is less shooting at the moment, but none of the problems are being solved. But given what has happened in Afghanistan, the surge was a strategic disaster. I wouldn't support Clinton because she didn't have the spine to vote against the war. But unfortunately, Obama is a pragmatist and since most people thing the surge means we are winning, he won't end up leaving much before McCain would have. And don't doubt that McCain has plans to moon walk to the door.

A lot of lefties are going to be even more disappointed when they learn that Obama is an incrementalist -- as opposed to someone like Bush who makes wholesale changes. I'm probably way to the left of Obama and most lefties (and righties) hate incrementalists. Personally, I think the country is a big boat, and big boats have to turn slow.

Now, as to the Weather Underground, I have no idea whether Aires ever said that he wished he bombed more. I'd like to see a real cite: Please provide it. But in the Chicago area, apparently lots of mainstream Repubs and Dems have worked with him over the years. I suppose you despise any American who ever broke bread with Menachem Begin. Recall that Begin never apologized for bombing the King David Hotel, where 91 people including many civilians were killed.

The reverent Wright certainly is a funny bird, although some of his worst 'quotes' have been wildly taken out of context. However, Palin's pastor and one of McCain's preacher friends also have said numerous dispicable things. So what, leaders have to take the best of what people have to offer.

How about a little thought experiment vis election coverage.

What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?

What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?


What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee?

What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident?

What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?

What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? (Not sure if this one is true.)

What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing planes during training flights and taking out power lines?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?

What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?

What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

jonnymoon at 2008-10-14 02:27 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

I want out of the war ASAP. I think the surge has been a 90% failure. There is less shooting at the moment, but none of the problems are being solved. But given what has happened in Afghanistan, the surge was a strategic disaster. I wouldn't support Clinton because she didn't have the spine to vote against the war. But unfortunately, Obama is a pragmatist and since most people thing the surge means we are winning, he won't end up leaving much before McCain would have. And don't doubt that McCain has plans to moon walk to the door.


I don't think you're that far from the average American in saying you want out of this war ASAP. I'm sure a lot of Americans are tired of the war, liberal or conservative. In fact, I'd love to be able to pack up and leave, too. Then again, I also want to be independently wealthy. I could get that way by robbing banks, and I guess if I did that I'd accomplish my objective but I'd be stuck with the consequences.

A lot of people think that if Obama is elected, he can just tell the troops "Run away!" He'd have the ability to do it and he has already said that he intends to. I think that is exactly what he wants, so he can have us retreat in disgrace, and his original prediction that Iraq was the Vietnam of the new century would come true. I think that's despicable, and self-serving in the worst way. Saying Obama is a pragmatist is like calling Proffessor Moriarty a pragmatist. They are both only after what they want and they'll do anything to get it. "Pragmatist"...pfft. What a nice way to say Machavellian.

As for the surge working, it has worked, violence is down in Iraq, and strategically, that was the goal. Strategically, that was exactly what they were after...they were working on Iraq, not Afghanistan. Your example sounds like a car salesman who cut a little off the price so he could add to the interest rate. It's really a shame that Obama can't man up and admit that he was wrong about the surge. That's called integrity, you admit when you're wrong. BTW, it wouldn't hurt you to admit it worked, either.

I wouldn't support Clinton becasue her and Slick Willy are two of the biggest scumbags ever to inhabit the White House. Love the way they rent out a bedroom to the biggest bidder, that's so redneck.


Personally, I think the country is a big boat, and big boats have to turn slow.

You are very right. An abrupt turn to port is going to really rock the boat bad. We will probably not recover for a long time. Obama is so slick, he says he won't raise taxes, but he's going to nail the big businesses who are making money.

And when he does, it'll be like putting salt on a snail. It'll retract...fire people, and when it can't save any more money by firing people, it'll pass those higher costs (because of taxes) on to you and me. That means the cost of EVERYTHING is going up to support those taxes, and then the other shoe drops...you won't have a job to pay for it. On top of that, because of people losing their jobs, the whole tax base goes down (Federal and State) and then you have MORE public sector jobs being lost, and the whole thing snowballs.

Yeah, nice job. Tax big business. Now the economy REALLY sucks. It's a BAD PLAN.
jonnymoon at 2008-10-14 02:31 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

Now, as to the Weather Underground, I have no idea whether Aires ever said that he wished he bombed more. I'd like to see a real cite: Please provide it. But in the Chicago area, apparently lots of mainstream Repubs and Dems have worked with him over the years. I suppose you despise any American who ever broke bread with Menachem Begin. Recall that Begin never apologized for bombing the King David Hotel, where 91 people including many civilians were killed.

The reverent Wright certainly is a funny bird, although some of his worst 'quotes' have been wildly taken out of context. However, Palin's pastor and one of McCain's preacher friends also have said numerous dispicable things. So what, leaders have to take the best of what people have to offer.


Hmm...you know, I don't think I've ever heard that John McCain was holding BBQ's with these people, or inviting them into his living room to "start his career off on the right track". I haven't heard of him hiding his relationship with those people either, or downplaying his association with them. Why does Obama hide his assocation with Ayers and Farrakhan? Because they are political poison. Shocking to realize that within the past few weeks, we know more about Sarah Palin than we have learned in months of knowing Barak Obama. For instance, I didn't know he was buddy-buddy with this guy Ayers...why, pray tell, hadn't we heard about that months ago? Could it be...the liberal media? (Yes, I know...here comes your ridicule of the whole idea of yellow journalism...strange, that it is a reality, just like the effectiveness of the surge...but I don't expect you to man up and admit it.) It is true that batallions of people were sent to Alaska, and enough cyber power to bring down the World Bank was leveled at her personal information, and we heard all about any dirt that could be dug up on Palin. But strangely, not a whisper about Ayers. The worst we heard was that he'd had financial dealings with Resko...big deal, all politicians are crooked. Not all of them associate with KNOWN TERRORISTS. But we didn't hear a word...funny, that. (Or I should say, "Predictable.")

As for a genuine quote from Bill Ayers, I don't need to prove guilt. That's already been done. I don't need to prove Obama chums up to him...that's already been done. I don't need to prove that Obama was attending Wrights church for dozens of years. That's already been done. Obama is guilty by association. If McCain is the same as Bush, then Obama is the same as Ayers, the same as Wright, the SAME AS FARRAKHAN.
jonnymoon at 2008-10-14 02:38 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

Then the left would spin this as Holier-Than-Thou, and Obama would have had a "tragic first marraige"...probably wouldn't have even heard divorce, we'd hear coverage that would make it look like she died, and Obama would delibrately not set us straight on it.


MC> What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident?

Again, it would be the "tragic first marraige" and we'd never hear why. If it did come out, he'd try to tell us she looked like that before the accident and it had nothing to do with why there'd been a divorce (it wouldn't even be "Why I divorced her").


MC> What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?

Then it would be "forced to find his emotional connection elsewhere" along with "his tragic first marraige" and he'd never mention it. If it had been brought up the media would spin it as a smear campain by the Right and beneath anyone to bring it up "Don't look behind that curtain! There's nothing behind that curtain!" (Like the Bill Ayers connection being compared to the situation in the 1960's). Funny how a web campaign can smear McCain, and the Obama campaign doesn't say a word, but if McCain fans bring up a topic, Obama's campaign puts the blame squarely on McCain...even if it's the damned truth. (The damnable truth, in this case.)

MC> What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? (Not sure if this one is true.)

Then it'd be "the tragic life of Michelle Obama, who overcame her addiction"...not, she was addicted and used illegal methods to aquire them. It'd be Obama, the man who rescued her...what a guy!


MC> What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

Still not sure where you're going with the college thing. Assuming you didn't get a Liberal Arts degree ("A little philosophy with that cheeseburger, sir? ...and let me tell you again why children don't need your help being raised"), then I think an education is a good thing for a presidential canidate to have.


MC> What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)

LOL...then we'd never have heard about it. If he'd been asked about it, then the media would point out that it'd actually been a good idea, and try to convince us we'd actually made money on it. He'd be painted as the guy who came up with the idea, and saved the country.
jonnymoon at 2008-10-14 02:38 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

MC> What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

Then we'd never be reminded in any newscast of it. His successes would be downplayed, and he'd suffer when the media compared to Obama, no matter how much he'd schooled their little darling. Hmm...kind of like what's happening now. (Scary!)


MC> What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter?

Why, then I suppose he'd have to memorize his carefully rehearsed speeches. On thing for sure, he still wouldn't address any of the points which he was being asked, and he still wouldn't be able to rebut any of the points that John McCain was right on. (And without a script, he MIGHT actually be chivvied into actually admitting he was wrong about the surge. Horrors!)


MC> What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing planes during training flights and taking out power lines?

Well, then I guess he'd care about the military, and he wouldn't be planning to order them to run away and disgrace the country. He probably would care about winning more than his own comments about how it was the next Vietnam. I suppose he might even care about the state of the country. Heck, if he had military experience, he might even have a clue about how to run a war. If Obama was a military vet, then...well, he wouldn't be so backwards about how to help this country...he might even be one of those DAMN FINE Republican types. Yep.


MC> What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?

You'd never hear about it...if you did, it'd be "Senator Obama showed a litte of his human side today..." from the media. Just like when Hillary put on her little Human Drama moment...crying for the cameras. (Yeah, that's what I want as president. A crybaby. "I can't believe Russia invaded Georgia! Boo, hoo!") Let's face it, it was carefully rehearsed. But the media ate it up like it was candy and whipped cream. Morons everywhere fell for it.


MC> What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution?

I suppose references would have been made to great women who stood behind great men...by...who else? The liberal media.


MC> What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?

Oh, my God, what a media-fest that would have been. Look everyone! Look how Obama is trying to break down barriers, isn't he wonderful? Here's a man who is a God-send! We can all admire his big heart! Not only is he adopting, he's adopting a white child! What a great example he can set for us all! Truly a man for the ages!

Please.
metalclarinet
metalclarinet at 2008-10-14 04:25 (UTC) (Link)

Re: I disagree

I read the Wikepedia article on Ayres. Indeed, there was a NYT quote that looked pretty ugly. However, Ayres instantly claimed that the times article was totally contrary to what he was trying to say. (It also portrays him as somewhat self deluded about his past.)


As it happens, I have been quoted twice on the front page of the New York Times. The first time I was quoted accurately -- only I was mistaken in what I said. The second time I was interviewed 'on background' and then was quoted by name and completely out of context. It caused quite a ruckus where I worked but personally, I thought the whole thing was funny. No wikipedia reference.

However, a fairly conservative columnist in the NY Post wrote an excellent article on the whole Ayres situation. You might want to read it.

The Outrageous 'Terrorist' Smear
by Kirsten Powers <http://www.nypost.com/news/p/obama_barack/obama_barack.htm>?

As to taxes, I am very sympathetic to eliminating taxes on businesses. Eliminate the taxes and you eliminate a lot of the lobbyists. However, to be fair you have to tax capital gains as regular income -- including stock that passes through people's estates.

The taxes that have to be raised are on those with the highest incomes. The Reagan revolution -- tax, regulatory financial and anti-trust policies -- has resulted in a dramatic shift of assets to the top 1 percent. In the long run, this increasing disparity will destroy democracy. At some point taxing the rich may prompt them to leave the country, but there is no evidence that it stops them from buying whatever they desire. It won't wreck the economy. On the other hand, failing to control the deficit will mean, eventually, that the Chinese, Russians and Arabs will own much of our productive assets.
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